“Speaking personally, I am getting a little fed up with the shoe-horning of George Floyd into every aspect of our lives. The Minnesotan policeman accused of killing him is currently in prison awaiting trial for murder. Literally nobody on earth is defending his actions. So it is slightly galling that anyone, at the BBC or anywhere else, should try to present his killing as some sort of Murder on the Orient Express effort involving every white person on earth.”
He, yours truly and many other people are fed up with all this. But for today’s Maoist culture warriors, even seemingly small things, such as the words accompanying “Land of Hope and Glory”, are worth crushing into silence, if their acts achieve the end of demoralising and destroying what they hate. (Check out this Elgar CD for the actual music.)
Ironically, the song Rule Britannia includes the line “Britons never, never shall be slaves”. That enrages some, for whom the object of their drooling political philosophy is to enslave humanity. Their hatred of such tunes is in fact a form of psychological projection and on a massive scale. They see evil imperialism in a desire not to submit to rulers.
This isn’t going to stop unless and until the structures that today’s Gramscian Left have captured – many universities, tax-funded arts bodies, the BBC, etc, must have their funds cut off, their staff fired, and the organisations forced to subsist on whatever private stipends they can obtain.
Meanwhile, the BBC has once again achieved the opposite of its intentions.
I am, and so, apparently, is the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, who says that Floyd had a more-than-fatal dose of fentanyl in his blood. So, the Marxists on both sides of the ocean are going to have another field day as the consequences of this kill their show trial. You can now look for Minnesota Attorney General Ellison to quietly agree to delay the trial of the cops until after the elections.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298403284416249856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
1. Had five-year-old Cannon Hinnant been black instead of white, and the neighbour who shot him through the head been white instead of black, I think we can safely assume the story would have received much more media prominence than has been the case. (if you’ve not heard of it by now, three weeks on, that rather proves the point).
2. The chorus of Rule Britannia states “Britons never, never shall be slaves” without any racial qualification or restriction. Does the woke left now share the view of the extreme right that there can be no such thing as a ‘black Briton’ and that to be truly a Briton one has to be white?
Plus one to bobby b (bobby b, August 26, 2020 at 8:34 pm).
One of the depressing things about PC media power is that even people who think they know enough to see through it are unwittingly fooled by it. (William Shirer observed a similar effect when in 1930s Nazi Germany: he knew Goebbels was a liar, yet was sometimes fooled by him.)
– Why would a policeman summon an ambulance (and raise its priority when he realised a misunderstanding had not given it the one intended) if he desired his suspect’s death?
– Why would he follow the training he was given (claimed to maximise chance of survival in the Minnesota Police Policy Use of Force document that the left-wing democrats who run the place had instructed him to use) if he desired his suspect’s death?
Three times the minimum potentially-fatal dose according to this, and he was showing clear signs of it, and of breathing difficulties, before he was put on the ground.
My bet is with bobby b – as with Zimmerman and Wilson, this will prove to be another BLM fake accusation.
This raises the question, why – why are BLM’s prominent cases so demonstrably false? It’s not like actual police brutality is unknown in this imperfect world. I recall a video that Rahm Emanuel kept under wraps till he’d won an election which seemed clear enough as regards the (il)legality. Does BLM, like the fake hate hoaxers, simply need more than reality will supply? Do they need unpunished/delayed cases, but must avoid those that, like Rahm Emanuel’s, point specifically to Democrats? Or is their very point to use such cases to make people serve the narrative instead of the truth? (Or is it, as bobby b conjectures, that they need acquittals to rage against?)
Which raises interesting scenarios arising out of the upcoming presidential election. Do they need Biden to lose a close contest in order to advance on their chosen fronts? They seem to make more progress towards their goals when they are out of power than when they hold power. You can’t be an oppressed rebel if you are in charge.
“This raises the question, why – why are BLM’s prominent cases so demonstrably false? It’s not like actual police brutality is unknown in this imperfect world.”
Because the violence is thankfully rare. It is also race blind if you believe the statistics.
It is like most things today in politics today a creation of the media and powers behind it crafting the desired narrative, and manipulating the NPC’s.
Do some research – when did BLM last have a heyday? Summer 2016.
What links Summer 2016, and Summer 2020.
Yeah not a difficult question is it.
Cops killed 9 unarmed blacks, 16 unarmed whites in 2019.
In a country of 330,000,000.
Not exactly a repressive rampage.
(Watch for new Minneapolis news. In the past hour or so, three people got into a confrontation in Minneapolis. One guy shoots another. Shooter walks away, police following, video shows as shooter then blows his own head off on the street. Due to rumors before the videos came out, rioters have once again begun trashing Minneapolis for its police misconduct. It’s all bogus. Heading over there to rescue my niece who exited a show right into the mess. Gotta get out of this town. 😛 )
Plus one more to bobby b.
Nope.
Plus 10 zillion kerbillion to bobby b.
I have been saying for years that socialism has to be purged out of everywhere. Nice that others finally see that.
There must be a real chance that the police officers charged in connection with George Floyd’s death will be acquitted, if an unbiased and dispassionate jury can be found. (That really is a very big ‘if’).
If they are acquttied what will happen then? I predict ‘peaceful demonstrations’.
How far ahead should the authorities be planning their response, and the robustness of their response, to the likely ‘peaceful demonstrations’?
I think they should be planning now.
How robust should the response of the authorities be?
bobby b: “You can now look for Minnesota Attorney General Ellison to quietly agree to delay the trial of the cops until after the elections.”
How about the trial being in October? If/when the cop is acquitted all hell will break loose, the media will blame Trump, and the shitshow will distract the electorate from noticing how useless Biden is.
Nearer to home I was told yesterday that a large number of patriotic people, with the biker community heavily represented, plan to show up outside the Royal Albert Hall to sing Land of Hope and Glory at the correct time.
I fear that this may be one peaceful protest that D1ck of the yard is unwilling to allow.
Nial Kilmartin: “This raises the question, why – why are BLM’s prominent cases so demonstrably false?”
They don’t need to be true, as the media is occupied territory. Thus the truth takes a while to get it’s shoes on before the lie has been spread around the networks, including the most woke of all, the BBC.
But demagoguery needs a cause, stoke fear and panic, and promote grievance and factionalism.
I don’t really need to know why my enemy does a thing. I simply need to know that by virtue of doing that thing that marks him as an enemy.
Nial Kilmartin: “like Rahm Emanuel’s, point specifically to Democrats?”
Democrats being the racist party, need to redirect away from themselves. All these lies, that are given prominence by the media in the moment. It doesn’t matter if they are true, for the left, they are items of furniture in the minds of well the intentioned but gullible.
As Douglas Murray, amongst others, have pointed pointed out, your list of structures is woefully out of date. All large companies now pay lip service or more to the same ideology. My own company (a bluechip) went went black and has implemented Gramscian training courses inspired by identity politics. Unconscious bias training is wide spread. Are you going to shut down the large private employers?
It’s interesting how much influence the media seems to have lost with the people. Sure, if they have an acquittal in October, antifa/blm will go nuts, and sure the media will blame Trump. Cities will burn. (Heck, they’re burning tonight, again, a few miles from me.)
But nobody blames Trump for the riots except for the Proper Media. The only rationale they can seem to hit on to blame Trump seems to be “his very existence makes us soooo mad that we can’t help ourselves and we burn our own people out, and so it must be his fault we’re doing that.” And that’s just not resonating with voters anymore.
Even the Proper Media types seem to be noticing this now. In the last two days – since the shootings in Kenosha, WI – the media has turned around and is actually condemning the violence. When the original riots hit Minneapolis, there was hardly any coverage of the damage. If a tornado had hit town and done as much damage as the riots, we’d have seen footage of the burned-out buildings and cars for weeks, over and over. After the riots, we saw some coverage of “normal average” SJW’s volunteering with the cleanup help – without actually showing what they were cleaning.
But with the new rioting tonight, the local stations had their cams and reporters down there all night, pre-empting all other coverage, showing us each fire and concrete projectile as they happened. It was quite the difference, accomplished when they realized that they were sinking in the polls because of the violence and ruin.
So, I doubt they’re going to push more rioting as a way to get Trump, and I doubt it would help them if they did.
bobby b. wrote:
“But with the new rioting tonight, the local stations had their cams and reporters down there all night, pre-empting all other coverage, showing us each fire and concrete projectile as they happened. It was quite the difference, accomplished when they realized that they were sinking in the polls because of the violence and ruin.”
For the win.
A more cynical person than I would look with suspicion at the sudden, lockstep about-turn in the media form soft-pedalling and overlooking ‘peaceful protests’ to their sudden pearl-clutching Renault-eric discovery – there’s violence being perpetrated! I’m shocked – shocked!
It is, of course, nothing to do with anything we’re being told it’s to do with. It’s about the election, nothing else. The sudden discovery that mass and untrammeled mayhem in the streets of major cities is having a negative effect on the chances of wheelbarrowing Biden across the finish line in November – they don’t even need to light the Bat-signal, the dominant media hive-mind simply springs into action. It’s not about telling Joe and Alice Palooka in Bismarck, ND about the bad things happening in Kenosha – it’s about telling the people doing the bad things to knock it off now, because we have an election to win and you’re putting it at risk.
I wonder whether they realize that the forces that they have unleashed and encouraged, like Luca Brazzi, may be a lot harder to put back in the box, and I wonder how far Democratic mayors and governors may be prepared to go in order to reclaim the appearance of restoring ‘Law and Order’ from President Trump. The look of stunned amazement on the face of some skateboard-wielding punk who suddenly realizes that his intended victim has an AR-15 and the will to use it, will be as nothing compared with the look of stunned amazement on the face of the next skateboard-wielding punk when he groks that the same governor/mayor/police chief that has been letting him play at being a Street-Fighting Man for the last 3 months, is now suddenly more-than happy to have him beaten, teargassed or shot, because it’s necessary to try and help elect Joe Biden.
I’m buying extra popcorn.
llater,
llamas
A lot of short memories around here. We had the same b/s back in 2016 that was dialled back quickly because it was alienating the voters and Hillary “Had it in the bag”. This time it was allowed to run until it was beyond control, probably because the Dems don’t control much of anything anymore. The media was (and will always) be their bitch though. Hence, being unable to control the Antifa/BLM rioters, get the press to shine a light in the dark places and show the violence for what it really is.
The picture of Lauren Victor being harassed outside a DC restaurant has gone viral as well, with lots of news coverage, and opinion pieces condemning the intimidation tactics (although none of this is new, simply unreported in the MSN).
So, yeah, any sudden change of heart on behalf of the media will be more about a coordinated attempt to drag Joe Biden’s befuddled corpse across the finishing line than anything else.
“Literally nobody on earth is defending his actions”
And Mr. Murry would be WRONG!
So, yeah, any sudden change of heart on behalf of the media will be more about a coordinated attempt to drag Joe Biden’s befuddled corpse across the finishing line than anything else.
Well Don Lemon, of CNN infamy, came out against the violence in the last couple of days. Why?
Cos he noticed that Trump was benefiting from it in the polls.
Such righteousness.
That statement makes little sense. More-than-fatal for whom? You and I, or lifelong opioid abuser George Floyd? Floyd had byproducts of fentanyl breakdown in his blood as well, so unless he was shooting up while the police were talking to him it’s highly unlikely the drug was responsible for his death.
Oh dear. A lot of the previous rioting was along Lake Street. Now somebody supposedly has done something that deserves more vigorous rioting, and apparently they were doing downtown last night. It turns out that some civilian shot another civilian, then shot himself, and the police are being blamed.
I (being white and therefore privileged) am probably being blamed too, but nobody’s told me about it directly. I lived through the riots of the sixties and seventies. After the 2016 election, I told somebody I know, who is part of the Resistance, that I didn’t approve. I’d seen what resistance did. She did not approve of my experience. Now, four years later, Resistance is doing it again.
Immortality is overrated. After half a dozen repetitions of “Here we go again!” an immortal might do something that would hazard his/her/its/zies immortality. Like “Hold my beer.”
Eric (August 27, 2020 at 4:40 pm), from very near the start of the cop bodycam transcript:
(Hooping: absorbing drugs through the anus, believed by some drug users to enhance their effect.)
How much earlier he took them, George does not say, but it doesn’t sound like very long. George attributes his foaming at the mouth to the hooping, so he appears to be of the opinion that the drugs are still taking effect on him. George comes across as very erratic from the start of the transcript, so his judgement of all these matters is far from reliable, but that is the clear implication of what he said.
“Mithridates, he died old” – but that was arsenic administered in a controlled fashion, not fentanyl taken recreationally. For example, it is very well-established that Extreme Delirium is much more likely in a long-term drug abuser (the median age for it is 36, after a decade or two of abuse, with – obviously – half of the cases older than the dividing line) and that’s hardly the only drug abuse symptom that grows worse with time.
It is the job of a County Medical Examiner to deduce the dose taken from the post-mortem evidence. I pointed out in my post above that it appears George did not just have more than the amount known to be able to cause death – he had much more.
Use the enemy’s own weapons against them. Legally attack such companies forcing ‘training’ on people for “creating a hostile work environment”. Sue the living fuck out of them.
According to the notes of the conversation between the cop and the ME, it was specific to Floyd.
As were his further observations: that Floyd’s lungs weighed 2-3 times what normal lungs of a person that size would weigh, because of the edema – the fluid buildup – that caused the froth coming from his mouth, his complaints of being unable to breathe, and his eventual death from suffocation.
He remarked that, had Floyd’s body been presented to him without anyone telling him of the fight with the cops, he would have labeled it as a simple overdose death.
So, the statement does actually make sense.
I think it’s still legal to make sense, but it’s definitely grounds for cancellation.
Niall & bobby b,
My point was it’s impossible to know how much opiod it will take to cause death in a particular person. People who have taken opiods for years end up with a massive tolerance to the drugs compared to the rest of us. A dose that would kill me nearly instantly would likely have not been enough to satisfy Floyd’s addiction.
Floyd’s blood contained fentanyl breakdown products, which you find after someone has taken a drug and his body starts to process it. If you’re going to check out in an overdose you’ll normally die of pulmonary arrest when the concentration of the drug has reached its peak. There’s not much time for your body to do much in the way of metabolizing.
See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRoqSyIi-98
I’m not sure what the implication of the lung analysis means. How much would your lungs weigh if you had a seasonal flu or pneumonia? Pulmonary edema is normal for people taking opiods, whether or not they OD.
Ellen and bobby b, glad to see you commenting from time to time, because it tells me you are OK. (And for the insight of your remarks, of course. 🙂 )
Under a narrow meaning of the word ‘know’ that is true – Rasputin, for example, was extraordinarily hard to kill. Science researches LD50 – lethal dose for 50% – for a reason. This median lethal dose will, by definition, leave half of those who take it alive after one occasion.
Courts allow themselves to know what is beyond reasonable doubt – and what is not – under reasonable meanings of ‘know’. Having three times the minimum dose capable of lethality, or (the same thing IIUC) twice the lethal dose by a statistically stronger definition, is information a court can use – and so can we.
From what I have read that policeman is a political prisoner. Held and tried for political reasons. When it gets to court he will be found not guilty.
Eric wrote:
‘Floyd’s blood contained fentanyl breakdown products, . . . . . ‘
-the remnants of the previous hit of fentanyl he took to the one that was in play when he died.
‘How much would your lungs weigh if you had a seasonal flu or pneumonia?’
– both conditions which can be positively identified both by autopsy and pathology. Since he was tested for Covid-19, I would suspect that he was tested for the other common causes of massive pulmonary oedema.
Not being a doctor, nor a pathologist, I make so bold as to accept that when somebody who is actually both, and who has actually studied the autopsy and toxicology reports on Mr Floyd, says something like
“The memorandum ends with Dr. Baker’s devastating conclusion that “if Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he [Dr. Baker] would conclude that it was an overdose death.””
We’re now in the Kafka-esque world where city neighborhoods are being put to the torch, stores looted wholesale and innocent bystanders beaten and robbed, all on the basis of a ‘yeah, but . . . . .’ It’s exactly-analogous to the case of Trayvon Martin – unrest based upon a ginned-up narrative which is more-or-less entirely at odds with the facts. Pardon me if I whip out my razor and conclude that it’s the same narrative, ginned up in the same way, for the same ends.
llater,
llamas
This is a good example of the misuse of statistics. LD50 is a good guideline when you have no other information, but in this case we do have other information. We know for a fact it would have taken a much larger than average dose of opiods to kill George Floyd. If “three times the lethal dose” in this instance is a reference to three times LD50 that’s an incredibly misleading statement.
Eh… so what? I don’t find this at all “devastating”. In this case the other contributing factors are right there on video.
Let’s assume, for a moment, Floyd would have survived his encounter with the police had he not been “hooping”. Let’s also assume he would have survived the drugs he took had Derek Chauvin not spent 8 1/2 minutes leaning on his neck. That is, let’s assume it took both activities to kill him. What would Chauvin’s criminal culpability be in that case?
Eric, your argument seems to rest on “so even if this is true, it doesn’t rule out that Chauvin had a hand in causing this death.”
As a theoretical argument, that’s likely correct. But Chauvin is going to be tried in the context of the US legal system and our Constitutional protections for someone in his shoes.
Does this new information make it less likely that a jury of 12 will unanimously agree that there is no reasonable doubt that Chauvin wrongfully killed Floyd? I think it does. I think it takes it so far out of a prosecutable case (for murder) that any continuing effort in that regard has to be politically driven and not based on a knowledge of the law or a regard for justice.
Once the Medical Examiner – the State’s own expert in cause of death – is shown to have said that this was an overdose death, I think the State’s case evaporates.
(But – Minnesota has now also brought state tax fraud charges against both Chauvin and his wife for previous behavior. I suspect that this was done specifically as a lever to coerce Chauvin into pleading guilty to some assault-like charge regarding Floyd in order to keep his wife out of prison for tax fraud. Let’s see if his tax charges disappear if he pleads to Assault.)
We most certainly do not know anything of the kind. ExDS is merely one of a number of ways in which prolonged abuse makes such opioids more likely to cause death, not less. And of course, one tends to get less fit with age, even if one does not have Floyd’s specific underlying health problems.
BTW, taking a multiple factor of the lethal dose is a “much larger than average dose” as most people use that phrase.
And of course, as experienced defence lawyer bobby b points out (August 28, 2020 at 8:52 pm), ‘not guilty beyond reasonable doubt’ is a far, far weaker standard than I am suggesting above or you are disputing above (never mind that, there is a good deal more than just the drug data on Chauvin’s side – c.f my first comment and its links, and further points beyond those).
Did the ‘demonstration’ actually occur?
I have to say, the image of bikers rolling up to protest the removal of traditional cultural icons, made me laugh.
I’m waiting on the economic results of the ‘Kung flu’ to see if I can pick up a Ducati 820 Monster, cheap.
Sorry, but it’s the inner capitalist, tryin’ to pick up assets at advantageous prices.
There is a continual struggle with the inner socialist which disapproves of taking advantage of other peoples’s misfortune.
Is it possible that Floyd was the only guy to die during the COVID-19 epidemic who’s death wasn’t attributed to the flu?
Captcha. Select images with motorcycles. It’s an omen.
I’m picturing Tiny, the 340-pound bearded tattooed monster in leather chaps and chain necklace screaming “they’re messing with our opera! Ain’t nobody gonna mess with our opera!”
He had it but had recovered – so in the UK, Floyd would have been counted as dying of the dread virus for a while, but would now have been removed from our weeded totals.
The fact can be mentioned in a discussion of whether he might have been more susceptible than before to a drug notorious for causing fatal respiratory arrest. There are claims of lingering effects from having had the ChiComCold.
Mr George Floyd died of the drugs he had consumed – and the video was deceptively edited with large parts of evidence removed by order of Mr Keith Ellison Attorney General of Minnesota – and deputy Chairman of the Democrat National Committee.
Mr Keith Ellison is an evil man, far worst than Mr George Floyd – and the late Mr Floyd held a knife to a pregnant women while robbing her home to feed his drug habit.
As for as I know the late Mr Floyd was not a Marxist nor was he interested in Islam – indeed, when he not on drugs, Mr Floyd made efforts to reform himself – it was the Democrat “lockdown” in Minnesota that cost him his job (ironically he worked security with the police officer who is now being prosecuted) and sent him back to drugs and madness. Had he lived over the border in Republican South Dakota Mr George Floyd would not have lost his job – and might not have gone back to drugs and madness, and then death.
Logically Marxism and Islam can not be combined – as Marxism is a materialist (atheist) doctrine. This does not stop Attorney General Keith Ellison (and others in Minnesota) trying to combine them – and, of course, he combines the worst elements of both. Anything that is GOOD in Islam he carefully EXCLUDES from his belief system.
Abortion? He supports it, in Islamic law it is a terrible crime. Aristotelian logic, imported into Islamic philosophy more than a thousand years ago, he hates it. And so on. Karl Marx himself believed in reason, after his fashion, Mr Ellison most certainly does not – his Marxism is of the Frankfurt School type (mixed with French Post Modernism), it is twisted and vile – including everything bad in Marxism and excluding anything in Marxism with any connection to rationality. It is the Marxism of modern universities – many of which are pits of insanity and wild evil. And remember almost Corporate manager and government bureaucrat went to such a place, and was a “good student” absorbing the lies against the West like a sponge.
It is often said that the Islam of people such as State Attorney General Keith Ellison is not the same as that of traditional Islam – and that is true. But it is the good things in Islam he has excluded – not the bad. Combining it, against all logic, with Marxism. Although he would deny that.
And this person is in control of the “Justice” system in Minnesota.
There are many Marxists in key positions in the “Justice” system of many States and cities.
The distinction between Marxism and the Democrat Party falls apart when one remembers that ALL of these Marxists were elected as Democrats, and they control the Democrat machine.
And the “mainstream” media who have so stirred up race riots with their endless lies – dating back many years. Whey do you think they were “educated”? And what party do you think they support?
One good thing to have emerged from all this evil is that the Marxism, the hatred of the West ad its traditions of freedom, of the BBC and other institutions has been made obvious.
The cries of “you are paranoid” ring hollow indeed now.
Anyone who STILL supports BBC and the other institutions, such as the “education system”, now stands exposed as an enemy of the United Kingdom and of the West in general.
Let us hope that there are some good developments – such as an end to the BBC tax (“license fee”) and the “Ofcom” leftist regulations that forbid real CHOICE of television and radio stations with different points of view, as well as a restoration of Freedom of Speech (of dissent) in the universities and in the schools.
Almost needless to say – someone can follow Marxist doctrines without knowing the word “Marxism”, they may have been taught Frankfurt School doctrines as “Critical Theory” or just “the way things are”.
This is what the Italian Marxist Gramsci called ideological hegemony – where even organisations supposedly FIGHTING Marxism, are dominated by Marxist ways of thinking – because they know nothing else (hello Conservative Central Office).