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A giant step forward for women’s right in the Middle East! I would not have expected such enlightened thinking from the Daesh Islamic State, but they have now ruled that women may now take jobs without the permission of their husbands!
ISIS doc says women can become suicide bombers without husbands’ permission
Way to go, guys!
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I just knew there had to be a catch. The job must be of very short duration.
By gad! It’s Women’s Lib — literally!
Well if they send them to the UK, and they don’t offer equal pay for equal work, that would breach a fundamental principle of European Union Law. Enforcement action may have to be taken.
Is the reward awaiting female suicide bombers in heaven the same as that awaiting male bombers?
I hope this won’t be regarded as a deliberately flippant or incendiary comment. Give how strictly the sexes are segregated in hardline Islamic societies, I am genuinely curious.
Yes the Koran says women get 72 well hung Chippendales, who for obscure theological reasons are all called Andy.
It still mystifies me how Andy – a 21 year old building site labourer from Stevenage – became such an integral figure in practically all of the major world religions.
You see backwards7, the great thing about religions, and manga/anime come to think of it, is they do not have to be coherent or follow conventional logical narrative, to be a thing of wonder.
Uh oh, SOMEBODY is running out of the quality of folks that think an intangible promise of Martyrdom “payola” is a really good idea!
I guess when one considers the alternative of living by “the rules”, as well as under the “economics”…
I blame lack of BLTs, and lack of red wine at book club meetings.
Both the Sunni and Shia agree that killing the enemies of Islam (although they disagree on whom these enemies are – pointing-at-each-other) is an exception to the general rule that a wife must obey her husband.
After all the husband my be weak (might be merciful)- it may be the wife who has the true desire to shed human blood for Allah and to die doing so.
So there is nothing new in this ruling – it is entirely orthodox and mainstream.
By the way, ISIS (or whatever one should call them) often rape Muslim women and then explain to them that the only way to regain their purity (and thus avoid going to Hell) is to become a suicide bomber.
They have used suicide bombers to good effect in their recent offensives in Iraq.
Most of these comments (above) and elsewhere in this discussion forum on the subject of Islam and its holy jihadists would seem to often reflect a dismal lack of understanding of what is in the Koran.
I shall spare you – yet again – the tedium of going into detail on this, but I really would recommend some study of the Koran, if only to dispel one’s ignorance of that most eternally wise book and of the prophet’s (Mohammed pbuh) wisdom.
I would especially like to point out that the statements above by @Perry de Havilland:
– are both misleading, ill-informed, and deeply offensive to all Muslims – those of us who know that the Koran is the actual, perfect and infallible word of Allah.
To paraphrase the holy Woolwich jihadist and decapitator:
All muslims know this to be true, which is why none of them could or would criticise a jihadist’s holy actions, and if any would criticise or deny the validity thereof, then they are not true Muslims – they are blasphemers and apostates, for whom Allah also commands the remedy, in the form of the correct penalty being death.
As for the 72 virgins awaiting jihadist martyrs, you would need to be aware that wives, girl children and slaves are the responsibility and property of the man – “What your right hand owns”. The responsinility of the man is no easy matter. For example, the responsibility includes the duty of a father that all daughters need to be married off and intact, before puberty, or, as the Al Khamenei of Iran put it:
These are serious and non-trivial responsibilities for the man, mandated by Allah.
Similarly, it is the duty of the man, as husband, to take care of, protect, chastise with a rod, and father children with his wives. It can thus be seen that the most important people in Islam are the women, from whose womb the new generations of Allah’s Dar al Islam (the world of the Believers) will spring, advancing to become dominant over Dar al Harb (the world of the Unbelievers) as Allah commands.
Thus, any girl who:
* died in childhood – e.g., (say) before the marriageable age of 6 or so, or
* whose husband died before being able to deflower her, or
* was left untouched as a virgin by their husbands – e.g., whose husband was unable to deflower them, maybe due to (say) ill-health, impotency or having too many wives to be able to service them all, and
* who thus, through no fault of her own, has not been fortunate enough to be able to work towards fulfilling Allah’s will of producing the new generations,
-> will go to Paradise as a virgin, and there Allah will give her the reward of an eternal opportunity to finally achieve consummation and thereby fulfill Allah’s command, by being given to a holy martyr.
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In this way, Allah blesses all women.
Such is the wisdom of Allah, who is all-knowing.
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Now I have read of an owner of a Wisconsin (US) gas station who put up a sign in the garage forecourt that read:
– and of the owner of a Halal butcher’s shop in Enfield (UK), who had a sign in the window that read:
These comments are equally misleading, ill-informed, and deeply offensive to Muslims, as well as being as worthless and as ignorant as those made by @Perry de Havilland, above.
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I profusely and unreservedly apologise for the blasphemous and offensive line of text at the end of my comments above. I am mortified that it was printed. Absolutely no offense intended. Exasperatingly, I cannot seem to edit a comment posted in this forum.
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I inadvertently pressed the “apply signature” keys to my post, and it printed out the text in my signature file.
My 13 year old daughter, whom I have instructed through the regular reading of the Koran since she was able to read, and especially as directs her in the role of a woman, is not yet married and is highly computer-literate and a wayward child. She disapproves of some of the Koranic teachings as they relate to women, and unbeknownst to me, she has demonstrated her opposite views by hacking my “signature file” which would usually just say “Slartibartfarst.”
I sometimes feel that I have failed as her father.
It is indeed a step forward. But I’ll bet they still don’t accept homosexual suicide bombers, do they?
And as to Perry’s comment being “deeply offensive to all Muslims”, I can only hope so!
@Laird:
Well, it’s a pretty explosive subject – whether to let women become suicide bombers – and that’s without considering the needs of the more fashion-conscius woman, but it would be difficult for any right-thinking person to deny that it was indeed a step forwards, and as for your comment about not accepting homosexual suicide bombers, I would suggest that you watch that space. I just happened to be down at my local Halal butcher’s the other day and whilst waiting in line for several Jewish customers who had preceded me to finish their purchases, I overheard an Imam from the local mosque talking with the butcher, Mohammed. The two were discussing whether, if the butcher had potential customers in the form of homosexuals who had agreed to become suicide bombers in exchange for repenting and being let off being hanged for their sinful crimes, or something, and if the homosexuals might want to come into his shop, then would he be allowed to sell them any lamb sausages if they asked for them?
I thought it was a very good question and was about to say so, but then one of the other customers – my neighbour, Mohammed – said that if they did allow homosexuals into the butchers, then he certainly wouldn’t be coming here again to buy sausages as he didn’t want any of “those sorts of people” near his sausages even, if they had repented. I thought he had a point.
You might well say that:
– however, I couldn’t possibly comment.
Mind you, I do think that he should probably apologise for them in no uncertain terms, so as to avoid putting us in the predicament of having to walk around repeating the compulsive mantra “Je Suis Perry” for ruddy days on end, should some Salafist radicals take exception to such offensive comments – as they indeed might, if the Charlie Hebdo massacre was anything to go by.
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This sort of risk – the Charlie Hebdo risk – is magnified by the problem that people with ostentatious or pretentious foreign-derived surnames – such as, for example de Grosse, de Havilland, de Veauce, le Feuvre, von Sauerkraut, or von Nachtmusik – probably think that this gives them carte blanche to say whatever pops into their dainty heads, if they so wish.
However, the reverse is probably true, as in actual fact it doesn’t give them that right – if one has that sort of name, then it behoves one to demonstrate that one is in humility and always a polite and deferential foreigner, otherwise people will consider one to be uppity and antagonistic and avoid talking with one, or just shoot one. It happens in America a lot – think of how many people called fancy names like “Chanequa” or “Camreon” one reads about being gunned down in retaliatory gang-inspired drive-by shootings. One rarely hears of people with normal-sounding names like “Bud” or “Ches” getting gunned down.
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A few weeks back I heard on the BBC World Service a panel discussing the Charlie Hebdo massacre, and the view was put that if the Hebdo cartoonists had had normal names like “Ben Smith” or “Bert Jones”, then the Salafists would not have been so enraged by their cartoons and so nobody would have had to be shot. That bears thinking about.
Slarti, you cleverly segued from “ostentatious or pretentious foreign-derived surnames” to “fancy names like ‘Chanequa’ or ‘Camreon'” which are clearly given* names (as are “Bud” and “Ches”). Such segue was not, however, distracting enough for me to fail to notice that gaping chasm in your chain of logic.
And I’ve never heard of anyone with the name “von Sauerkraut”. I’m beginning to suspect that you are making things up.
* Note the careful avoidance of the common term “Christian name”, which obviously would have been racist or something.
Laird! “Making things up?” !!! —-But does not slarti’s voice wring* with the profoundest sincerity and deepest understanding? Do not little children look up in awe, pain and fear when their ears are assaulted by the sound, which would put the sonic boom to shame by decibellian** measure, albeit the noise is more of a cracked clash, like that of a broken bell.
*wring: a most fortunate typo. Serendipity rules.
**It seems to me that one would double the ending consonant when constructing the adjective, just as a person who travels is, properly, a traveller, and milady’s wearable ornaments are, properly, her jewellery.
Yours in amazed amusement,
Julie Rosado y Krauss (I think.)
The extreme followers of “The Seven” in the fantasy “Game of Thrones” seem to be going down the Islamist road.
With the barefoot (“I gave my shoes to someone who needed them more” – someone needs to tell these types that blatant “humbleness” is itself a form of prideful display) “Chief Sparrow” arresting everyone in sight – including the Queen (well sort of Queen anyway).
And his thuggish followers carving designs into their foreheads, and then going off to arrest fornicators and homosexuals. Whilst they endlessly denounce “the rich” and stand for “the poor”.
Of course the leftist Obama supporter who actually wrote the books is most likely attacking Christianity – but anyone watching the show will think of ISIS.
Hopefully a certain person (the Imperialist liberator of slaves) will regain control of her dragons and burn the “Church Militant” as her ancestors did.
And then go to burn the army of the undead – which is slowly marching on the West.
If the good lady could then cross dimensions to use her fire breathing air force to crush both the Sunni and the Shia militants – it would be most appreciated.
We could also learn from the Iron Bank of Bravos.
A City State that has never had slavery – indeed was founded by run-a-way slaves.
And a bank that actually loans out real gold (rather than credit bubbles) and makes-sure-it-is-repaid.
Laird:
You are correct about the slip, but for the wrong reasons. It was not a logical flaw. It was a typo. I was being distracted whilst writing (see below). When I saw the typo, I would have gone back and changed the word “surnames” to simply “names”, so that it all made sense, but this blasted forum doesn’t seem to let one go back to make edits, so I just hoped that no-one would be confused by the typo.
My sincere apologies. Now I come to think of it, I don’t actually recall meeting or reading of anyone called “von Sauerkraut” either, but I would never make things up, I assure you. I was being distracted as I wrote that comment. I was writing it in the study, whilst trying to listen to some music by Mozart, when first my daughter interrupted me by coming in to receive her due chastisement with a rod (for the signature file hacking incident), and whilst I was delivering the punishment to her posterior, trying to keep the rod’s impacts in tempo with the music, my wife popped her head round the study door and asked us whether we would like her to make some sauerkraut – to which both my daughter and I answered a resounding “Yes, please!” as we know that Mum’s sauerkraut is always delicious.
So, when I had finished with the chastisement, my thoughts were probably in some disarray as I sat down to to finish off the post and, what with all that German influence, my subconscious must have popped the name into my head, so that I inadvertently wrote “von Sauerkraut” instead of something more likely such as (say) von Donnerundblitzen” – which happens to be the surname of a man and his wife – my neighbours opposite. He’s got a Christian name like “Klaus” or “Kraut”, I think, and though he says he was born in Germany in a place called Luftwaffe, or something – that I can’t find on the map – he has a Cockney accent and is as English as they come and swears like a trooper. She’s called “Else” and does have a thick German accent. So whether it’s Klaus or Else, I assure you that I have the surname correct.
Anyway, after all those distractions/interruptions, I sat down to finish the post, unfortunately completed with those mistakes. At least I have successfully dealt with the incident of my errant daughter’s hacking of the signature file. She’s grudgingly corrected it.
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(((:~> “Be there or be dhimmi” – Annual Everybody Draw Mohammed Day – since 20 May, 2010.
Bother.
Profuse apologies as above.
Looks like I will have to more seriously chastise my daughter.
Well, that’s better now.