Obey and you have nothing to fear.
Many people in the UK clearly think the book 1984 was an interesting suggestion rather than a warning. I know what that reminds me of.
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Amazon are quaking in their boots!
Fuck Amazon, signs at a bus stop are not aimed at them.
That reminds me: i have seen no comments in this forum about HSBC helping its clients to minimize their tax bills within the boudaries of the law (which is apparently a moral outrage by BBC standards).
If they keep down this road they’re going to find, as the Soviets did, there’s a limit to the effectiveness of fear in getting people to do what you want. People respond to incentives, and the more uncomfortable the government makes the productive people the fewer of them will be there to pay taxes.
HSBC was a money laundry for the dope cartels. My understanding is that it was set up by the intel agencies. It has obviously outlived its usefulness.
The overwhelming majority of people viewing this are PAYE slaves pleased that those VAT fiddling plumbers and electricians are getting their comeuppance. The plumbers and electricians are, of course, all out in their white vans producing wealth.
Because PAYE slaves don’t produce any wealth? Is all wealth only produced by sole traders?
Funny how these adverts only ever use models with European features. Where is the diversity?
The blurred line between evasion and avoidance. The advert supposedly addresses the former. I don’t think it is 1984 when a government attempts to collect tax that was illegally evaded, but that doesn’t mean some aspects are clearly big brother like, the TV tax comes to mind.
As Churchill put it in 1945:
The BBC is digging up an old story Snorri – and pretending that their “investigative reporting” has produced “revelations”
It is part of the wider agenda to pretend that there is no problem with unlimited Welfare State spending – that everything would be fine if only it were not for evil “big business corporations” and “the rich”.
Mr Ed – yes indeed.
Perry – of course.
The modern state is not ashamed of its tyranny – it is proud of it.
Why not?
After all they education system and the media (especially the entertainment media) are constantly telling everyone that government spending is good and productive business is bad.
Witness “fuck Amazon” above.
Well now that you have witnessed it, how the hell do you conclude the remark means “productive business is bad” rather than “bus stop signs threatening people are not aimed at Amazon”?
Wh00ps
I’m sure you understood what I meant, but to clarify, PAYE slaves have very little opportunity to generate ‘undeclared income’ and will be happy to see the government going for someone else, schadenfreude or pastor Niemöller, take your pick.
Amazon’s income is declared, I believe that it just happens that if you are in London and buy something from an Amazon depot in Wales, Amazon are actually buying the goods and/or paying royalties to a group company in Luxembourg or something like that, and Amazon properly accounts for all profits in Luxembourg and declares its profits to the appropriate tax authorities, or something like that. This means that in the UK, Amazon isn’t that profitable, so as taxes are levied on profits, not that much is taxed. Of course, Amazon UK wants to continue trading here but must pay for its goods, and wouldn’t want to be sued by its sister company.
After all, you believe in the free movement of goods in the EU, don’t you?
The simple way to end all this nonsense is to cut taxes in the UK.
PAYE slaves have very little opportunity to generate ‘undeclared income’
You’ve heard of eBay or (ironically) Amazon Marketplace haven’t you? I am more a Paypal slave than a PAYE slave these days.
I do. I applaud all those who take steps to minimise their tax bill; starve the beast.
Unfortunately when you call HMRC to discuss one issue or another they are perfectly nice and even reasonable. Disturbingly disarming.
There was an advert a few years ago to encourage voting. It was a cartoon of a stick man running through lots of buildings, smashing them as he went through. At the end he held up a voting slip (might as well have been a gun). The message was that voting makes you powerful. I can’t really see how that one got made as it so obviously wrong on so many levels.
PeterT,
My experience being self-employed (back before a PAYE slave farm made me a better offer with benefits…) was that HMRC staff are generally happy to help you minimise tax (or as they put it, pay the correct amount), and were on one occasion incredibly helpful about sorting out a coding problem when I started PAYE again, including apologising and offering a refund. I’m still mystified how they manage to get customer service in this area, but they do it. Maybe the HMRC employees are simply humans like us who wouldn’t want to pay more tax than they needed…
I always find it interesting that when the tax avoidance campaign gets a comment from HMRC, they tend to be simple statements along the lines of no law has been broken, so we aren’t interested. I guess this campaign is either more political or is simply aimed at those not declaring earnings (and unlike PeterT I don’t like this – if taxs are required, then all who can pay them – that is liberty, not some of us paying for others).
The BBC have been at this game for years, often with huge roadside posters in poorer parts of town warning people that their database knows where everyone is.
At least HMRC are chasing money for schools and hospitals with their sinister tactics, not cash to fund Eastenders, Strictly Come Dancing and Mr Lineker’s huge weekly fee for hosting a football highlights show.
Britain at least does not have our FATCA laws, that have essentially made Americans working overseas unwelcome in 90% of foreign owned banks. Obama doesn’t need billboards. He has his Gestapo IRS screwing everybody over. Outlaw the fucking thing, already.
“The modern state is not ashamed of its tyranny – it is proud of it.”
Comment of the century
John Galt III is correct. The US tax system is monstrous.
“PAYE slaves have very little opportunity to generate ‘undeclared income’”
You must move in some very straight-laced circles. Or only know people who have no marketable skills that other people will voluntarily part with their own money for (ie most people who work for the State).
Jonathan,
If you describe the U.S. tax laws to a progressive, they refuse to believe you.
Jim,
If you normally charge a lot of money for your time it’s pretty much a given that whoever’s paying you is writing it down. Nobody pays high end IT people under the table.
“Behead those who collect tax” I say. It’s me religion, innit?
BRITAIN! SNAP OUT OF IT! [slap-slap] YOU’RE A FREE, FIRST WORLD PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY, FFS. [shake-shake-shake] YOU’RE SCARING ME, DUDE!!!
Following up The Sanity Inspector:
“AND YOU CAN’T SAY YOU WEREN’T WARNED, AND BY ONE OF YOUR OWN. WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET YOUR ATTENTION?”
Actually I’d like a real answer to that question, as it may apply to the situation in my own country, soon to be known as the USSRA.
@Roue Le Jour: you misunderstand me. The masses are quite keen on a bit of cash in hand work whenever they can get it, above their day jobs which are PAYE. However its only those who have marketable skills that they can demand cash for who are able to do this. A carpet fitter may work 9-5 on PAYE, and do cash jobs in the evening and weekends. Ditto car mechanics, electricians, plumbers, roofers, all manner of people who have real skills. People who work for the council in HR or some sort of other State non-job will struggle to get their neighbours to part with cash for their services. They rely on the State forcibly extracting the cash from their fellow citizens via the tax system instead.