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Common sense from a politician? Whatever next! It is incomprehensible that you can turn against freedom… But if you don’t like freedom, for heaven’s sake pack your bags and leave. There may be a place in the world where you can be yourself, be honest with yourself and do not go and kill innocent journalists. And if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can fuck off.
– Ahmed Aboutaleb, the Mayor of Rotterdam, speaking on live TV.
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I don’t know anything about the rest of his politics, but this is the second politician I have ever known anything about who I think I could respect.
Taqqiya
I can’t stop grinning. I’m imagining the vapours that would be on display on the BBC if a non Muslim Mayor of Amsterdam, or indeed a non Muslim politician anywhere had said the same thing.
Fapworthy remarks.
And your evidence is what? His name?
It isn’t that they don’t like it here, it’s that they don’t think there should be a ‘here’.
If there hasn’t been a serious assassination attempt in a month or so, Taqqiya. Otherwise, no.
It’s a great quote, but subliminal to those who don’t understand the basic concepts of individual freedom. The problem is not about how others want to decide to do with their own freedoms, it is what they want to do to ours. An ideology that is hell-bent on controlling people is going to be attracted to “free” societies, where they can fully get their kicks from dismantling it. Terror attacks in restricted societies are just internecine warfare, whereas against those in the West are designed to disrupt the freedoms we cherish.
They may love death more then we love life, but we love freedom more than they love death.
The great majority of politicians is that they’re incompetent lying thieving cunts who’re a very generous with other people’s money and when they’ve run out of that run up massive debt. That’s their good points as their ethics bar is so low not even a slug could crawl under it.
Don’t worry, normal service here in the UK. Minister says that boys should be encouraged to play with dolls.
I see you have a few bigoted dickheads in amongst the libertarian in the thread. If a muslim stays silent, it is part of the problem. But if he says the right things in no uncertain terms, Taqqiya. Please just fuck off.
Good on him, but let’s see if things in Amsterdam actually change, or whether they just keep on going the way they are. (And whether he now gets voted out.)
Lee, Cal: contrary to what you might have heard, Rotterdam is not the same as Amsterdam.
WRT Taqqiya: does it matter whether he believes what he says, or not? what politicians say is more important than what they believes; though not as important as what they do — assuming they have executive responsibilities. If you can find something Aboutaleb did, inconsistent with what he says, let us know.
BTW i note that he said much the same thing 11 years ago.
I doubt that Islamists wondered whether Sadat really wanted peace with Israel, before assassinating him. The same goes for Benazir Bhutto.
This bloke’s doesn’t mince his words, either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6zRxSp7t20
Mmmm
If Mr Aboutaleb is sincere he appears to have committed apostasy.
Especially when one considers that when an old blind poet was treacherously murdered for mocking Mohammed, Mohammed approved. And when a pregnant female poet protested about the murder of the old blind poet, she was murdered also – and Mohammed approved of that as well.
However, Mr Aboutaleb is in luck…..
I was at Kettering Crematorium this morning and I can assure Mr Aboutaleb that we can offer him a good service – after he is executed for apostasy (assuming he is being sincere – and this is not all a trick).
True cremation is not Islamic – but as he appears to be apostate all would be order.
So all is well.
Mr Ed, my dolls had Eagle-eyes and gripping hands and a variety of firearms.
Richard T, these days, it’s never too late to sue your parents…
Mr Ed, sadly it is. Though I’m sure that will even be a thing before too long.
Good luck to him, admirable and honest. Unfortunately, he stands out precisely because he is so unusual, and that is the problem.
The only possible manner in which Islam might be reformed is from within. Here and there, within the various Muslim communities around the world, influential people must step forward and speak and act against the violent elements within their own religion and culture.
Some may pay a fearful price for such courage, but nothing else will work, if anything can.
The alternative to reform, the only real alternative, will be for Islam to endure the unendurable.
Only they can prevent their own destruction.
>Lee, Cal: contrary to what you might have heard, Rotterdam is not the same as Amsterdam.
It is on Wednesdays, when they swap for the day.
He’s preaching to the choir, no big shakes. How about he goes to Saudi Arabia and say the same things there?
What pisses me off about comments like yours and several others of the same ilk in this thread, is the implicit bigotry, the sense that what you are writing is based on who this guy is rather than what he does. Clearly it simply does not matter what the hell he says, you will give it the thumbs down regardless. This guy simply cannot win because of his Muslim name. If it is no big shakes, why the fuck do we not hear this from all manner of mainstream politicians?
When Islamic terrorism happens, we quite rightly shout “where are the muslim ‘community leaders’ condemning this? They are conspicuous by their absence!”
But the moment one does stand up and say something, what do I see from various people?
Taqqiya… pfff, no one has tried to kill him… no big shakes… say it in Saudi Arabia
I find that shameful. I want our pathetic political leaders to say what needs to be said in Paris and London and Berlin.
The problem is that I do see lots of muslim community leaders standing up and condemning the terrorists since 9/11 so many years ago. Fat load of good it does, which makes one wonder if they’re sincere or just playing the PR game.
I would also note that for all their protests, no mainstream muslim leader has come out stating that they must ignore the parts of the Quran that support violence, or to repudiate their great Prophet Muhammad. Instead we get waffling, and more waffling.
People are losing patience.
He is sincere, and his sentiments, not to mention his courage to express them publicly, are no less than admirable. But like many others, he seems to be confused about his own religion: on the one hand he says that Islam “teaches us to be tolerant and to respect other people’s faiths”, while a few minutes later he says that Muslims cannot go on shooting people because one has to “accept that in this country Islamic law does not rule”.
Yes Alisa – Islamic law is rather clear on these matters.
As was Mohammed himself.
An Islam without Mohammed (without his personal example), would be an odd thing indeed.
And as Paul pointed out elsewhere, he also invites the Islamists to change the law, if they don’t like this whole free speech thing. Well, I guess that would be an improvement over just shooting people – on the other hand, I think such laws already exist in most of Europe, so I don’t see the point of that either… Like I said, the man is confused, but I can hardly blame him – he’s no different from everyone else, Muslim or not.