Police have now arrested all four of the would-be suicide bombers who attempted a second round of terrorist mass murders in London on the 21st July. This is splendid news. Kudos also to Italian police who picked up one of the targets in Rome.
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Of course what should really concern you is that the one picked up in Rome, was able to get there. Sure he may have taken the chunnel (which could be disasterous in it’s own right), but much much more likely he flew there on a plane. Showing once again that all the supposed security hoopla still doesn’t prevent a terrorist from getting on a plane.
My thoughts too Pham. And a suspected “mastermind” has been picked up in Zambia, of all places.
I’d love to know how so many radicals, living off welfare manage to afford international travel. That, surely, ought to be a useful indicator to security services.
Is it just my imagination or have the police services been much more publiccly visible, “aggressive”, and immedately successful that during the rash of IRA bombings?
Western governments, but especially the US, over-concentrate on aviation security. Possibly this is related to the lobbying power of airlines.
The real danger is the wicked imaginative power of an evil mind. Terrorists will always find a target. The war on terrorism does require security measures at potential targets but more important is removing support for terror within communities, getting good intelligence and public vigilance.
Too much of the “security” effort becomes a methodical production line whereby the staff make sure they have ticked all the boxes on their “to-do” list. My own example of the futile ridiculousness of this attitude was seeing TSA staff insist that my 18 month old child remove open-toed sandals to pass through the scanner.
As in any organisation you need to empower your staff to think for themselves.
One thing that disturbed me was that one of the alleged bombers had been granted British citizenship a few months after getting out of jail for a violent crime. I don’t think he should have been allowed to have British citizenship.
Yeah, and we’ve all seen the results of when they DON’T over-concentrate on airline security.
As for international terrorists living on social security Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed lives on £250 a week ‘disability’ allowance plus £50 a week social security. In addition to that the state just bought this tosser a brand new Ford Galaxy to help him become more mobile. I just hope that British taxpayers have not just funded a suicidebombers vehicle …
I have been watching a decent amount of American media on the investigation and the arrests. They are all very impressed with the speed and determination of the British Police in arresting those responsible. In fact there are many who are asking why the American authorities aren’t as efficient.
“In fact there are many who are asking why the American authorities aren’t as efficient.”
I haven’t heard that. I have heard that the police in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin (my homies) have arrested a Pakistani for running a mariage scam to smuggle people into the U.S.
I feel safer already 🙂
“In fact there are many who are asking why the American authorities aren’t as efficient.”
I’m not sure that this is a valid observation. From news reports earlier this week NY and federal authorities apparently rolled up several subway attack plots in NY alone in the past two years, before they could execute. I think both the US and UK are fortunate to have highly effective agencies.
We are each going to win some and we are going to miss some. Its important that we stay together.
To be fair, I think the security isn’t there to prevent a terrorist from getting on a plane (assuming there isn’t a warrant out for him); more to prevent the tools of a terrorist from making their way onto a plane. If it turned out that the guy caught in Rome had smuggled aboard and brought through three Uzis and a kilo of Semtex, then obviously I’d be singing a different tune.
Good news for sure! Keep it up!
TWG
It is tempting to carp but I agree with Perry’s original sentiment. This has been a highly impressive operation. One point sticks in my mind: the suspected bombers were made to come out of their Notting Hill hideyhole dressed just in their underpants. I bet that was the ultimate humiliation for these losers.
Jonathan – Yes, one of these pillars of modesty called down to the police to ask why he had to take his clothes off. (Duh.) Splodeydopes are not known for their acuity.
But they’re not laughable. Had they been successful, there would have been perhaps another 100 families grieving now.
Unlike the others he apparently went straight for a way out of the country on the 21st July. They were tracking him continuously through his mobile phone and, according to today’s papers, arrested him the moment he stopped long enough for them to get a firm triangulation on his position.
Very neatly run Met operation though in London.
The news media are saying that London’s fourth bomber, Osman Hussein, (arrested in Rome) was apparently protected and hidden by the Islamic Somali communities in Europe and Italy. Some media sources are saying that the reasons why Osman made it so far was because he was aided and abetted by his fellow Somalis. No doubt the kind that deeply empathize with the London bombers. I could go on about these people coming into our countires (a lot on false pretences), abusing our trust and exploiting our nation’s freedoms and liberties, not to mention sponging off our social benefits systems, only to breed HATRED and malcontent within their immigrant communities against the very societies that have welcomed them in and to plot violence against us…… Dirty little bastards.
Now there is me thinking that the sympathizers for these murdering terrorist fuck-sticks were in the absolute minority amongst the so called “peaceful and law abiding” Islamic communities that live within our Western societies. The impending story of Osman’s flight of escape across Europe will probably prove otherwise.
Samsung, I don’t believe for a minute that the “moderate/radical” distinction is at all useful. Any devout Muslim believes what the Koran says. And what the Koran says is that all countries must be brought under Islamic law.
The faultline runs between violent and non-violent believers and the non-violent are enablers of the bombers and head-choppers, if only by providing them with a community to hide themselves within.
I agree with Keith. Their holy book mandates the bringing about of dar-es-salaam. It is very clear and direct. End of story. If they’re a Muslim, this is what they believe they have been directed to do by their diety. Maybe, as Tony Blair and other frightened people keep assuring the British people (with no evidence, by the way) the “vast majority” of Muslims who are living in European countries are “peaceful”.
But that does not mean they think the suicide terrorists are wrong. It means maybe they wouldn’t do it themselves, because “the vast majority” are not stupid, suggestible young men between 18 and 29 years of age. But their “communities” know the violent mosques and they don’t report them. They know what’s going on under the surface and choose to ignore it. But they know.
Figures vary, of course, but there seems to be around 25% of Moslems in Britain who “don’t approve” of suicide terrorists, but “can understand” why they do it. I don’t know what the allowance for lying is in polls like this, but even if it’s a modest 5%, that takes it up to around 500,000 in real figures. (The Moslem “community” being around 1m more than Blair and the Home Office have the nerve to admit to.)
That’s a lot of people, mainly supported on welfare and free housing, supplied by “the British community”, who vaguely approve of the attempt to bring their religion to Britain by the sword. For those who have never lived in, or interacted much with, a Muslim country, you have absolutely no concept of the depth of belief of ‘insh’allah’. If someone blew up the London Transport system and killed, maimed or seriously injured over 700 people, it was allah’s will.
Otherwise, it couldn’t have happened.
“Most disturbing, some surveys find that the younger generation of Turkish Germans express surprising hostility toward Europe and the West. In one study, the sociologist Wilhelm Heitmeyer and his colleagues at the University of Bielefeld found that almost one-third of those polled agreed that Islam must become the state religion in every country.
Even though they live in Europe, 56 percent declared that they should not adapt too much to Western ways, but should live by Islam. More than a third insisted that if it serves the Islamic community, they are ready to use violence against nonbelievers. Almost 40 percent said that Zionism, the European Union and the United States threaten Islam.
Survey of German muslims, reported in http://eurabiaupdate.blogspot.com/
People are only surprised and shocked by this if they have not troubled to inform themselves about islam. Believing in dar-es-salaam is not optional for them. It is commanded by their god. It must come about either by persuasion or by the sword. But it must come about.
They are not pleased to be in the modern west. They are here to establish a beachhead. I do not know how people can be so ignorant and complacent about this evil scourge. They’re reaping the payout from their ignorance.
Tony Blair is a dhimmi. As long as he behaves himself and acts humble enough around them, he can keep his job.
Well, well. I said above that Blair is a dhimmi, and it being Sunday morning here, went over to Stephenpollard.net. Lo and behold, although he stresses that it is not confirmed, he has heard from a source he trusts: “I understand that the memo spoke explicitly about ‘appeasing’ the Muslim community, and to that end suggested placing Arabic on the curriculum – and making it compulsory in certain schools.”
“appeasing” the “Muslim community” = dhimmitude.
putting a worthless language like Arabic on the curriculum = dhimmitude.
Tony Blair is not on your side, folks. He’s surrendering on your behalf.
The land of Islam and the land of war…
What exactly is the diffifcult concept with this?
Andrew, I don’t know. They’re in denial, and then it will be too late.
Verity – what’s wrong with Arabic as a language? It’s a darn sight more interesting than French, and more people speak it.
I don’t doubt that many muslims agree with the actions of the suicide bombers, or tacitly support it. As for understanding why they do it – hell even I can manage that bit of mental excercise. Given the long history of people everywhere who a) die for causes they believe in strongly and b) are glorified by the comrades because of it, it’s not hard to see the motivation.
The obsession with the civilian vs military distinction we make in the West is unique to us. Most wars are not conducted by uniformed armies, and in general the formal notion of rules of war, and it being OK to shoot people in uniform, but not in T-shirts is a relatively new, Western, notion.
Everywhere else in history and time, war has been between people united by tribe, belief, common need – not united by flag and uniform and job description.
Don’t get me wrong – I’m not on their side, but it is the aims rather than the tactics that worry me.
Arabic isn’t exactly one of the engines of progress. If you want to advance in the 21stC, you need English, French, a Chinese language or an Indian language, if not as a first language, at least as a second. Arabic is a backwater.
The splodeys aren’t dying for a cause. They are dying for their god so they can take the express elevator to heaven and get going on those 72 virgins and those rivers of wine. The whole concept is an adolescent fantasy.
“it is the aims rather than the tactics that worry me”
So presumably, if you endorsed the aim, and reckoned they helped you to achieve it, you would also be setting off a nail bomb on a London underground train.
“it being OK to shoot people in uniform, but not in T-shirts is a relatively new, Western, notion.”
Yeah–it’s called civilised behaviour, in accordance with the Geneva conventions. Something islam has yet to discover. They prefer to torture, rape and kill civilians-including schoolkids and babies-as a means of conducting their war against Jews and the West.
“what’s wrong with Arabic as a language?” Not a lot, I guess, but there’s a hell of a lot wrong with introducing it as a subject in Western schools in order to appease islamists.
Dhimmitude, like totalitarianism, won’t arrive overnight, it will be a creeping tide that is carefully calculated to achieve its end at just below the threshold at which people will rise up en-masse and say “enough!”
I read yesterday that one Melbourne city council has introduced men-ony and women-only sessions at the local swimming pool to “avoid offending Muslims.” This, in an Australian city. That’s how dhimmitude arrives, under cover of cultural sensitivity and supported by “reasonable” Westerners.
“I read yesterday that one Melbourne city council has introduced men-ony and women-only sessions at the local swimming pool to “avoid offending Muslims.” This, in an Australian city. That’s how dhimmitude arrives, under cover of cultural sensitivity and supported by “reasonable” Westerners”. – Keith.
My reply to this is that if these Muslims want sex-segregated swimming pools, then they should FUCK OFF back to the Islamic Paradise. I am sure Pakistan or Saudi Arabia has some lovely swimming pools that they can practice their mysoganistic and medieval Koranic practices in.
Our enlightened Western Civilization is supposed to be evolving and progressing forwards, NOT backwards. These ASSHOLES who work for the Melbourne city council are nothing but a bunch of filthy scumbag traitors to our liberal and enlightened Civilization. These S.O.Bs want to take us back to the Stone Age by not wishing to “offend” Muslims by creating sex-segregated swimming pools. What about not wishing to offend the rest of us who think these repressive Islamic practices are an affront to OUR way of life. What’s the point of these Muslims living in Australia? I am sure Iran would be better suited to their medieval ass-backward needs.
All that hard work the likes of Emily Pankhurst and the Suffragettes did in the early 20th Century, and the Women’s Liberation Movement of the 1960s to create freedom and equality for women is all going down the drain thanks to this Mickey Mouse bullshit we call “Multiculturalism”. Fuck our “rights”, just don’t upset THEM. That’s the Rule of Law these days.
Damn straight, Samsung. Any muslim living in the West who campaigns for a law change in order to appease muslim sensitivities should be immediately deported, and who the hell cares where to?
Maybe we could offer Greenland cash incentives to take the backward creeps.
Count me on your side, Samsung. If they don’t like our advanced and tolerant Western society, they are not obliged to benefit from it. Not Greenland, Keith, as it is owned by Denmark and the minute they were dumped on Greenland they’d be whining and begging for “right of abode” in Denmark and hence the European Union.
So somewhere else. I don’t know where, come to think of it. I doubt that the citizens of Tierra del Fuego or Pago Pago would welcome them either. Oh, surely there is somewhere that Islamic malcontents could be sent to?
The Melbourne Council that voted in this rule needs to be dis-elected really, really quickly before they do anything else stupid. Like allowing loud-speakered calls to prays five time a day. Dearborn in Michigan has already “submitted” to that.
Inch by inch. Whine by whine.
Gottit Verity–Nauru. It’s a huge pile of bird droppings in the middle of the Pacific and the locals are leaving anyway. Place looks like a moonscape.
Very apt, really. ;O)
Mmmmmm …. guano. I can see how that would work.
They are all very impressed with the speed and determination of the British Police in arresting those responsible. In fact there are many who are asking why the American authorities aren’t as efficient.
I’m not. With a half million cameras in London, I would expect them to catch them faster. As for why American authorities aren’t as efficient, that isn’t true, as they have typically caught surviving Islamist bombers and conspirators present in the US quickly, like after the first WTC bombing. After 9/11, there wasn’t anyone to find in the US with plot knowledge since they were all burned to a crisp or over in Europe, Afghanistan, Pakistan and in Arab countries.
Does that analysis respond to anyone appealing to law changes which appeal to whatever sensitivities they have?
I completely agree with you and Samsung about this Melbourne incident but I don’t think it follows that the mere campaigning for it is deserving of deportation.
Western states do much the same i’m afraid Keith only it usually masquerades as collateral damage when states do it.
Verity – I probably agree with about 90% of what you have said in your comments here but I do think you go over the top bordering on being prejudice. Surely people should be able to believe whatever they like regardless of how ridiculous it may seem to you and I. It is only when these beliefs and thoughts are transferred into injust acts that the issue takes hold.
To be a true consistant muslim you may well have to engage in acts which are considered at least by classically liberal capitalist values as being abhorrent but remember words can be interpreted in many ways. In fact they can be used to mean whatever it is you want. Just look at the evolution of the word justice and see the differences between what people usually mean by that now and what they meant by that over 100 years ago.
Dar-es-salaam is the capital or at least the biggest city in Tanzania is it not?
No, it does not masquerade as collateral damage, it nearly always is collateral damage. It is not supportable to suggest intentionally targeting civilians (as opposed to civilians being killed when you attack a military target) is actually what the west does these days. It makes a huge amount of difference to the moral calculus.
Dar-es-salaam is the term used for “universally muslim”. The Kingdom of Brunei is also formally styled Brunei Dar-es-Salaam. The islamics want to push it onto the rest of the world by force.
Yes, of course, people should be able to believe whatever it is they believe regardless of how stupid it is – as long as it doesn’t affect me or the laws under which I live. If their dimwittery causes me danger or discomfort, then I would lobby for something to be done to contain it. Similarly, men and women sharing a swimming pool is part of our advanced, enlightened society and I would be furious if the town council, on my behalf, agreed to take a step back into the Stone Age to appease a noisy group of less advanced people. In fact, I would lobby to get them fired.
Perry –
Civilians are constantly killed whilst bombing military targets. Ideally they don’t usually want to hit civilians but military targets will be hit regardless of there being civilians there. Bombs which miss targets or that hit wrong targets which kill innocent civilians is still murder. If your defence of the Iraq war is based upon protecting and saving Iraqi civilians from Saddam Hussein and the like then killing those very people you are trying to protect and save is hardly a prudent move.
Verity –
OK fair enough with your last comments but Dar Es Salaam is definitely the largest city in Tanzania. I think you have got the word wrong. Dar al-Islam means something like lands under muslim government. Dar al-Harb refers to the rest of the world thats not under muslim government. So al-Qaeda is trying to promote Dar al-Islam throughout the world.