Second, anyone who thinks MPs will reject Article 50 in such a vote is deluding themselves. The overwhelming majority of the Parliamentary Conservative Party now wants to get on with implementing the outcome of the referendum, regardless of which side they were on in the campaign. A pleasantly surprising number of Labour MPs have also taken on board the message from their Leave-voting constituencies. Having gone through the unpleasant experience of being at loggerheads with their voters on the doorstep, they rightly don’t want to defy them now they have spoken. The referendum may have been advisory, but its advice was clear – and when seen in pseudo-First Past The Post terms, ie in terms of MPs’ constituencies, Leave won a two thirds majority. Ultimately, de facto sovereignty lies with the electorate, and politicians value their seats.
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A really interesting article. It helps me to better understand all the machinations underlying this process. (And you Brits think that the American presidential election is ugly?! 😆 )
Thanks for the link.
Laird,
To understand the UK’s system: Just imagine if things had been different in the 18th Century in the Colonies, now Paul Ryan would be the Prime Minster, Harry Reid would be a Lord, and (on high days) Barack Obama would wear a tiara.
Whatever Harry Reid would be, it’s not a Lord. Not even a Lord Mayor. He’d probably be a councilman in a small town somewhere pretending to be important.
More fantasy.
I like to imagine Harry Reid would be working in a sewer. Then I remember that he is.
The House of Commons- few places are as honestly yclept. It’s as full of Harry Reid’s as every popularly elected government assembly. And since most of the Lords come from there…
The tenor of the article reminds me uncomfortably of a “Oooh! Look! A pony!” type distraction.
Unless pressure is put on the bar stewards, then they will let it drag on and on and on forever.
“ . . . and (on high days) Barack Obama would wear a tiara.”
Well, those rumors have been out there since early in his Chicago days.
Wouldn’t that be “luminaries”?
Reids. The automatic thing put the apostrophe in there.
>Unless pressure is put on the bar stewards, then they will let it drag on and on and on forever.
The pressure will be whether they dare vote against the will of the people. The government just needs to put it to the vote, with the threat of an early election if Remain win.
Remainers are tenacious and dogged and cunning. But they are also very used to getting their own way without much of a fight. They don’t seem to understand that many Leavers having been waiting a lifetime, or at least decades, for this opportunity. For many their whole lives have been focussed on getting the UK out of the EU, and this referendum result will be overturned over their dead bodies.
It’s like a British bulldog that’s been maltreated for years. Finally he got a chance to sink his teeth into something, and he’s never letting go. The Remainers are trying to get him to let go with lots of clever — well, they think they’re clever — psychological tricks. But he will hang on until death. The only way you can get him to let go is to kill him.
The real risk is not that MPs or Lords would simply vote down Brexit: they know that if they did that there would be a riot. And/or 1000 new appointments to the House of Lords.
The real risk is that they’ll sabotage Brexit, with their pretence that there is such a thing as “soft Brexit”, leaving us still in the European Single Market, still in the European Customs Union, still subject to the rulings of the Court of Justice of the European Union and/or its mini-me, the European Economic Area EFTA Surveillance Authority – but somehow, in some mystical meta-physical sense, allegedly “outside the EU”.
Today’s resignation of a M.P. came as bit of a shock to me.
It shows that he endless propaganda of the “liberal” (World Government) elite is not as ineffective as I hoped it was in relation to British independence.
“We must not have a hard Brexit” really means “we must continue to be subject to E.U. regulations – in our internal affairs and in our trade with third parties outside the European Union”.
I am getting annoyed with the “liberals”. They are prepared to accept British Independence – as long as it is not real.
AFAICT, the MP who resigned is a successful lawyer (a young QC) and he has generally been pro-Independence but wanted what yesterday’s court judgment gave him, a Parliamentary vote on the notification under Article 50. It does look rather odd, but what can he gain apart from whittling down Mrs May’s majority (already -2 MPs with Mr Goldsmith’s departure)? Then there are 8 DUP and 1 UKIP MPs to consider as likely on-side. It also puts David Cameron out of a job as Steward of the Manor of Northstead and may make him wonder why he resigned, unless he could not be bothered any more.