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So someone wants to go join the Daesh Islamic State… … but then they discover that the UK has made it illegal to fly there! Rats foiled again! Yeah that should work, hahaha 😀
And on a related note, the three formerly British girls who ran off to Syria to become ‘Jihadi Brides’ have been located at a specific address in Raqqa. My only question was, does the RAF know?
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I sometimes wonder how many of these girls who supposedly ran off to join the Daesh were actually the victims of so-called “honour killings”. Hide the corpse and explain the disappearance by means of a plausible story told to a bureaucrat with a vested interest in not probing too deeply and who would ever know?
Yes, it took decades to bring them to the UK and breed them there – I can understand the reluctance to let them go. After all, dangerous individuals are such a rare commodity these days.
1) ISIL has declared war on the west and the UK, and murdered British citizens
2) declare joining ISIL an act of treason
3) those that go are free to, but are stripped of their passports and not allowed to return
@Chip. Absolutely.
We’ve been told that the government “can’t” strip people joining ISIS of their citizenship, notwithstanding that ISIS claims to be a State that is at war with – well – everyone else.
We should institute a qualified ban on all travel to Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Sudan (probably more too). To travel there you need either Foreign Office approval (given sparingly, on strict inspection) or Home Office approval (given freely, on signing away your British citizenship and surrendering your passport).
Let them join ISIS. Send them packing. And send a Tomahawk missile after them.
Alisa, if we let dangerous people go, then where would Britain get it’s initiative from? Do you want Britain to become a safe, boring, country? Just channel their energies into racing-car driving! (And how come women seem starkly under-represented in the racing world?)
I’d like to think that in a more sensible time not to long ago, a declaration of joining ones enemy would be met with a firing squad at the nearest convenient wall. That is the appropriate response. When “tough talk” against people sworn to kill us amounts to “well, we’ll take their passport, that’ll show ’em!” we’ve pretty much indicated we’re surrendering.
It feels to me like the west as a whole has allowed the social freedoms of modern society to also influence military conduct, treating our enemies as welfare cheats to be fined or reformed, but certainly never doing anything to discomfort them.
Yeah, it’s those damned emigration forms! They don’t ask if you intend to betray the country you’re about to leave! I wonder which bureaucat left that off the form- should be hanged…
As the mathmo on the train said, “all we know is that, in Scotland, there exists at least one cow, at least one side of which is black.”
Lots of assumptions are being drawn, on the basis of what might appear to be very little evidence. I’ll believe in this mass emigration to the Daesh when my mate in 2 Para comes home and tells me how many of them he slotted (probably while being tearfully drunk).
Until that happens, I’ll stick with more mundane explanations for people dropping out of their local society.
Basically the government has further enhanced the allure of ISIL among rebellious hotheads by telling them they can’t leave.
And they’ve ensured the cost to the ISIL fans is essentially zero because they are free to return.
Only a statist could come up with a policy so at ignorant of incentives.
Whenever I hear of anyone running off to fight with IS, I often think of E A Blair and his parallel experience, and wonder if one of them will become a future Islamic George Orwell.
These young men, and young women, are taught (from birth) that Mohammed is the ultimate good person.
So they look for a group of people who act as Mohammed did – and they find ISIS…..
But do not fear – after all Barack Obama and John Kerry have explained the “real problem” is socioeconomic.
Everything has economic causes (lack of jobs, poverty……) – Karl Marx told them so.
re the other rob @ 01:34
Wasn’t it a sheep?
My caring about these muslims only extends to hoping we’ve seen the last of them in our country. There are over 50 muslim states in the world, surely more than enough choice for all muslims without them wanting or needing to come and live here amongst normal people.
Why am I reminded of Rachel Corrie?
@ VftS – It was a cow in the version that I heard, but a sheep works equally well and I’m sure that there are several variants.
ISIS is a blessing. Anyone who wants to go should be encourages and perhaps assisted. We shouldn’t destroy ISIS , just kill a certain percentage of their populace, especially but not exclusively combatants, regularly. Modern life provides to little selection , culling out the moronic and delusional. ISIS can help provide that (provided we can contain and cull them). Our strategy should be to denuke North Korea and turn it into a similar killing ground for young leftist fools.
Ah but North Korea isn’t leftist, it’s nationalist, you see. Like with the militant chap who knifed the US Ambassador to South Korea the other day. That militant belonged to a pro-North Korea nationalist group, it’s true, the BBC said so.