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Root causes ‘r’ us The Hamas Prime Minister, Ismail Haniyeh, has issued a strong rebuke to the Pakistani Religious Affairs Minister for saying that the UK’s decison to award a knighhood to author Salman Rushdie was a justification for suicide bombing.
Mr. Haniyeh was quoted as saying:
“Ejaz-ul-Haq is a dog. The whole world knows that the reason for suicide bombing is the suffering of the Palestinian people. Now he is saying it is Salman Rushdie. Does he want the world to simply forget our plight? Is he in the pay of the Zionists now?”
The row has prompted EU officials to express concern that there was a “risk of public confusion” as to the genuine justifications for suicide bombers and other terrorist acts. EU Ministers are expected to convene an emergency session to determine the real root cause of terrorist acts which member states will be required to officially endorse.
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Just declare Sir Salman Rushdie to be an honorary Zionist, and the problem is solved! No need to have a whole conference on it…
Now I’m confused.
I thought the reason was those super mega-flushing koran swallowing toilets down in sunny Cuba.
But surely we have been told the justification for the bombings is the defence of Islam against the West’s colonial wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Come on every one on the same page please…
Doncha just hate it when someone hijacks your cause?
And we have Lord Ahmed on the box asking for the honour to be withdrawn. As always, an attempt to drive in the wedge of veto.
If Lord A had any decency, he would state clearly that anyone trying to use this as an excuse for violence is an imbecile. Some might say that if he did he would be criticising himself…but I couldn’t possibly comment.
In the red corner we have Sir Salman “The Fatwa Kid” Rushdie and in the blue, trying to succeed where 70 million Iranians failed, we have the challenger, Sir Iqbal “Mr Moderate” Sacranie. Seconds Out! Round One!
Considering the words of the Pakistani and Iranian governments how long until the MCB and all these other “moderates” that his Tonyness loves to have tea and biccies with start shouting the odds. I mean, where’s Yusuf “Cat Stevens” Islam when his faith needs him?
And what really gets my goat is the beard* I saw on Newsnight wittering on about how Rushdie had also attacked Christianity! Yeah, right, whatever, respect all prophets and all that. Was that pignorance or was it a willful disregard of the last coupla centuries of Western literature?
Well, that’s what gets my goat. What takes said ungulent roughly from behind** is the sheer hypocrisy of Iran and Pakistan. This is an award by HMG to a British citizen. The above two countries go apoplectic at the vaguest hint of meddling in their internal affairs.
Cut off diplomatic relations with the UK? Suits me. Wouldn’t it be great if we could just let Dar-al-Islam stew in it’s own bile and sound a barbaric yawp from the highest parapet, “FUCK OFF!!!” Alas, no. Because we need oil and some of us will always care about the widespread brutality Islam inflicts on so many people.
*Possibly the above mentioned Lord Ahmed? I was replacing a Northbridge fan at the time so I wasn’t paying full attention.
**Cf the “goat wedding” in the horn of Africa recently and Khomeini’s (alleged) ruling on goat-sex – Google it people! Not goatse.cx, don’t Google that!
Oh it is all about the tragedy of Andalucia. Definitely that. We shouldn’t have provoked them.
It will be interesting to see how Camoron and his lot react to this. What you bet they call for a withdrawl of the honour?
The EU should “officially recognize” the root causes of terrorism. Disagreeing with it should then become punishable. Then, an official “authority on the roots of terrorism and globalization” could be created and a potential receiver of new EU subsidies could be identified. The EU bureaucrats would love to find a new field of action I’m sure.
Faith eh! Youv’e just got to love it
– or they will kill you.
The root cause of the noble acts that Mr H. was talking about was the wicked refusal of the Emperor Heraclius of Constantinople to submit to the true interpretation of God’s will (Islam – submission to God) in the early 7th century (by our evil form of measuring time).
For example, the Byzantines (nor the Western Christians) never even accepted the conquest of the Holy Land – producing the flimsy argument that the people of this land (before the conquest and, in part, after it) were not Muslims and did not speak Arabic – and that Mohammed had never visited the place in his life (the assumption into the sky story is from a dream that Mohammed had). So raids as far north as Iceland (and as late as the 19th century) were, of course, acts of merit.
We deserve all we get because of the refusal, by Heraclius and others, to submit. Indeed (as the Iranian powers-that-be have pointed out) even if we submitted now our crimes against God could not be forgiven by the faithful. As “even if Rushdie now became the most pius Muslim alive he would still deserve death for what he has written”.
So surrender is not an option – they will kill us anyway.
Of course the above is only a minority interpretation of Islam, but it is the interpretation of our foes (both in the Shia and in the Sunni). This is why (for example) the Shia regime in Iran is quite happy to support the Sunni Taliban in Afghanistan – they differ on many things, but their attitude to the infidels (us) is the same.
how interesting to hear several references on the One o’clock News by politicians and journalists to the countries who had held ‘failed referendums’.
What else could this mean, but: “We asked our voters for their opinion and they gave an answer we didn’t like'”?
I think that was Lord Ahmed Nick. What the hell did he get a peerage for? He appears to be a complete dickhead. What was getting to him was that the issue is raining on his parade as he is working tirelessly for inter- faith communication and understanding.
Lorra Lorra Luck there Lord!
Christopher Hitchens was more robust on radio 5.
What the hell has it got to do with Pakistan who Britain chooses to honour???
RAB,
Maybe it’s because Botham got a knighthood but Imran Khan didn’t.
We disturbed the balance of the force there.
I tried to find a link for the Hamas fellow’s quote, but couldn’t find it. It isn’t in the BBC link. Can anybody help me?
I assumed the “quote” from Mr H. was a joke Petronius.
If it was not a joke, then we are dealing with people who are even further from being rational than I think they are.
Still, judgeing from some of the (formally cited and in context) quotes, in the “In the Words of Our Enemies” book, it is possible that the quote was not a joke.
Defending Rushdie’s freedom of speech is basic to what we are. No compromise should even be considered.
However one should always keep in mind that Rushdie himself enthusiastically supported the Sandanistas when they went about crushing dissent in Nicaragua.
Paul,
They are already so far from rational that if they didn’t have some mythos from an illiterate, peaodophile barbarian in C7th to back it up they would generally be regarded as mentally ill.
Sorry, that’s too PC. I really mean “psychopathically deranged”.
As it is, they started off so far back that instead they’re regarded as a “Great Religion” and therefore must be accorded “respect”.
Put it this way, If I screwed a nine year-old, waged wars of aggression and claimed it was because the angel Gabriel told me to do it I’d be in a cell in The Hague by now. Fuck ’em, just fuck ’em.
I suspect we are seeing the death-throes of Islam and it would happen a whole lot faster if it wasn’t for the multi-culti crowd.
I just hope I’m right.
Taylor,
Bang-on. This is clear-cut by laser.
The religion of peace is fully entitled to comment on another country’s internal affairs and, indeed, call for the death of any person in that country (though failing being able to kill the named enemy of Islam then any bunch of people will do, most anywhere.)
I really can’t see where we in the west have any difficulty over this. Islam = good, all else = bad.
Personally I think a knighthood for someone even remotely daring to tell the truth about Iscum just isn’t enough. Sainthood and the grateful thanks of a free world at the very least I would have thought. It won’t even really upset those people planning to commit wholescale murder in the west because, er, they were going to do it anyway.
Remember, folks, western feet have touched the holy sand of a patch of desert already defecated on by camels. After that, it really doesn’t matter what the excuse is.
And here I thought that a government official calling for the murder of civilians in another country could be considered a casus belli. My information must be out of date.
NickM: Yes, it was Lord Ahmed. The beard earns his ricebowl from “community issues” so is the last to want to solve them. If he had been wanting to improve the situation he would have said that anyone using this honour to justify terrorism or acts of violence (and no, he is not allowed to slip in the word “towards innocents”) is an imbecile.
He does not say it. He says more mealy mouthed doubletalk. I see through it. He warns without threats, he excuses without support. but will be there to deliver the “I told you so”. He is an imbecile.
Ismail Haniyeh is a pig, demanding the lives of the entire ummah be devoted exclusively to his pathetic red herring in Palestine. All know that Muslims are obligated by the holy Q’ran itself to kill the infidel anywhere and everywhere they may be found.
Fatwah on his head: Kill him if you got him.
Ejaz-ul-Haq
He’s climbing on the peace train.
That being said, I had lunch with a Muslim the other day. Over beers (he’s the Bosnian sort of Muslim) he mentioned threads like this but on another site, the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler, I think it was, and asked why the civilized human beings who are Muslims should even bother trying to speak out if this is the reception they can expect.