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British born terrorists will be entitled to ID cards Now that we know what everyone except Tony Blair suspected (that the suicide bombers were probably British born or at least legal residents), perhaps it is worth noting that had mandatory ID cards been in force, they would have been perfectly entitled to avail themselves of one each.
Yes, I can see how this will help stamp out terrorism. Right? Right?
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I say this in all sincerity. As you, Perry, have just noted, and as I wrote in a topic just below a few minutes ago, Tony Blair – with all his access to top secret information – is the only person in Britain who hadn’t figured out that the terrorists were probably British born. Never mind all his many, many other failures of judgement, I think this alone disqualifies him from being in a position of power over his fellow citizens. His delusions are dangerous. Is there any way to remove a prime minister other than waiting five years for a general election?
We should revivify the notion that treason is and should be a criminal matter.
A nation which cares nothing for the concept has ipso facto lost its will to survive.
The government could do worse than to, as the Lib-Trembler in-chief might put it, ‘start a dialogue’ with the nation, with a view to rejuvenating our sense of independent (sniggers, yeah right) nationhood. Opponents who criticise advocates of such a move for ‘crypto-fascism’ or whatever drudge 6th form slur they use these days, should be quickly unseamed and debagged.
Now is no time for being overly-polite and it would be nice to see all those moderate Moslims clamouring to show just how much they deplore treason against Her Maj and her subjects.
Edward Lud – the Lip/Jaw Trembler in Chief is a tranzi. By definition, he cannot believe treason can exist.
I think someone needs to define “moderate” Muslims, because even if they’re not personally terrorist bombers and even if they personally wish terrorist bombers did not exist, they certainly are a cowardly bunch. They don’t denounce terrorism, they don’t turn in the mosques and mullahs who preach it and they allow these sickening events to continue. They know who their suspicious neighbours are. They know who took a trip to Afghanistan to go birdwatching. They know what tales their children bring home from school.
They know.
The first Conservative government, after it undoes all the illiberal, draconian and stark, staring bonkers legislation that Tony’s put in place, should change the definition of British citizenship. In Singapore and Malaysia and many other countries, you are not necessarily a citizen of the country if your foreign mother happened to give birth to you there. I can’t remember the details, but I think you take the nationality of your foreign-born father. When you’re 18 or 21, you can apply to be a citizen.
Further, just because you marry a Singaporean, for example, doesn’t mean you automatically get the right to reside there. It’s a long hard haul to get permission and sometimes, it is never granted.
You forget that terrorists will have “TERRORIST” stamped in red on their ID card. Thus they will be easy to spot and arrest.
Verity – High hopes indeed for the backbone of a future Tory government. They are even more craven than the Rev ARP Blair himself.
My post was purely aspirational. It’ll never happen. We slit our wrists when we refused to deport or at least prosecute people like Kalim Siddiqui over the Salman Rushdie affair. It’s too late now. The pass has been sold. Nationhood has been legislated almost out of existence, the concept thereof has vanished, and dissent therefrom is almost criminalised.
Good material for a Gibbon, 1500 years from now.
Still the vigour of your stance has much to recommend it.
What is a ‘tranzi’?
Edward Lud – It’s a commonly accepted, derisive nickname for an aherent to the transnational faith. The United Nations, Amnesty International, International Red Cross, Greenpeace, any supranational organisation with aspirations to world government. Tony Blair is a tranzi along the lines of Jimmy Carduh, but without the hick accent.
Ah, I see. Thank you.
He might even have gone up in my estimation, which wouldn’t have been difficult, if it had turned out that he was a cross-dresser. Good old English tradition, that.
On the other hand, early reports of the investigation seem to imply that while CCTV won’t prevent crime, it can be a mighty help in identifying the perps. Authorities in the US and beyond now have a better case to attempt and push for those, or more of them.
Two nations united in a number of common struggles.
http://www.nationalreview.com/miller/miller200507120810.asp
The cost of id cards could pay for a wacking great load of sniffer dogs to sniff out the explosives being carried by these terrorists. We could have thousands of them. As they would bother no-one who is not carrying explosives its not the attack on liberty that most of the other so called solutions are.
EU-Serf,
Sorry but we couldn’t have that – it would be effectively Hunting Muslims with Animals, and the foxes might object …
Also, Muslims don’t approve of dogs as Allah doesn’t like them. So if they ever need to be rescued from an avalanche or anything like that, don’t send in any rescue dogs. And if they go blind, be sure you have a trained seeing eye camel.
A Muslim would be most offended by sniffed by a sniffer dog. On the other hand, the dog may prefer not to have to sniff a Muslim.
Julian: thanks for a much needed chuckle:-)
“Also, Muslims don’t approve of dogs ..”
Neither do dogs of muslims. My dog gets terribly nervous and starts a huge racket whenever a muslim passes near my backyard.
“You forget that terrorists will have “TERRORIST” stamped in red on their ID card.”
No need for ID card there. They have it stamped on their forehead, but it is deemed impolite to allow that you notice it.
The proponents of the vile “incitement to religious hatred” legislation do have a point when they note that religion is used by racists as a proxy for race.